From: Michael G Schwern Date: 20:56 on 14 Dec 2004 Subject: Apple X11 copy Its simple. I highlight something in an X window. I hit Cmd-c to copy it. I go to a native Apple application. I hit Cmd-v to paste. Nothing. Or maybe its something I copied a few minutes ago. So I do it again. Copy. Paste. Nothing. Copy. Paste. Nothing. Copy Paste Nothing. Copy Paste Nothing. Copy Copy Copy Copy Copy Paste Nothing. Copy Copy Paste AHHH! It FINALLY FUCKING WORKED! Sometimes it seems to work if I first cut something in a native buffer, like there's some sort of corruption in the clipboard and it has to be cleared. The only thing that works consistently is pasting into XEmacs and using its explicit Edit->Copy menu command. Its CUT AND PASTE! How hard can it be, Apple?!
From: Darrell Fuhriman Date: 17:13 on 17 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy > Its CUT AND PASTE! How hard can it be, Apple?! Well, since it's X, I imagine pretty damn hard. Consider this: X11 was released in September 1987. That's 17 years ago. It *STILL* can't reliably cut and paste anything except text even when I'm only working inside of X. And even that doesn't always work. Screw X. If I could convince the office to spring for a G5 (I'm getting close), this Linux desktop would be out the window. Darrell
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 17:19 on 17 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy > Sometimes it seems to work if I first cut something in a native buffer, > like there's some sort of corruption in the clipboard and it has to be > cleared. I'll bet it's copying from the X clipboard and not the X selection. Which is why it works when you explicitly Copy it to the clipboard first. I get the same problem copying from an X11 server (Exceed or Xoftware, either) on Windows. It seems to be a standard problem when trying to deal with the X11 schizo selection-vs-copy issue.
From: David H. Adler Date: 18:31 on 17 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:56:31PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Its simple. I highlight something in an X window. I hit Cmd-c to copy > it. I go to a native Apple application. I hit Cmd-v to paste. Nothing. > Or maybe its something I copied a few minutes ago. So I do it again. Copy. > Paste. Nothing. I haven't done exhaustive testing, but what I find tends to works is using X techniques in X and mac techniques in the mac world. I.e. copy with cmd-c in a mac app, paste into the X terminal window with a middle button click (or in a different context, ctrl-y in emacs). That said, it would be nice if the mac stuff could work in apple's X11. Damn, I'm just entirely too reasonable. I apologize for being insufficiently hateful. dha
From: Michael G Schwern Date: 23:34 on 17 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 01:31:10PM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 03:56:31PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Its simple. I highlight something in an X window. I hit Cmd-c to copy > > it. I go to a native Apple application. I hit Cmd-v to paste. Nothing. > > Or maybe its something I copied a few minutes ago. So I do it again. Copy. > > Paste. Nothing. > > I haven't done exhaustive testing, but what I find tends to works is > using X techniques in X and mac techniques in the mac world. > > I.e. copy with cmd-c in a mac app, paste into the X terminal window with > a middle button click (or in a different context, ctrl-y in emacs). I'm talking about the other way around. Highlight in an xterm, copy with cmd-c, paste into mac app. NOTHING! > Damn, I'm just entirely too reasonable. I apologize for being > insufficiently hateful. I have enough trembling rage for you.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 01:58 on 18 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy > I'm talking about the other way around. Highlight in an xterm, copy with > cmd-c, paste into mac app. NOTHING! Hilight in an xterm doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard, it just sets the X11 selection.
From: Michael G Schwern
Date: 02:04 on 18 Dec 2004
Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 07:58:28PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote:
> > I'm talking about the other way around. Highlight in an xterm, copy with
^^^^^^^^^
> > cmd-c, paste into mac app. NOTHING!
^^^^^
> Hilight in an xterm doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard, it just sets
> the X11 selection.
Now let me go back to hating make and VMS.
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 04:58 on 18 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy > > > I'm talking about the other way around. Highlight in an xterm, copy with > ^^^^^^^^^ > > > cmd-c, paste into mac app. NOTHING! > ^^^^^ > > Hilight in an xterm doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard, it just sets > > the X11 selection. Cmd-C doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard either, it copies out of it.
From: Michael G Schwern Date: 05:26 on 18 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 10:58:21PM -0600, Peter da Silva wrote: > > > > cmd-c, paste into mac app. NOTHING! > > ^^^^^ > > > Hilight in an xterm doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard, it just sets > > > the X11 selection. > > Cmd-C doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard either, it copies out of it. Then why does it work if I bang on cmd-c a lot?
From: peter (Peter da Silva) Date: 12:08 on 18 Dec 2004 Subject: Re: Apple X11 copy > > Cmd-C doesn't put anything in the X11 clipboard either, it copies out of it. > Then why does it work if I bang on cmd-c a lot? I suspect you're doing something somewhere in there to clear or set a clipboard that convinces the server to use the selection instead. I have problems like that with X11's two different copy-and-paste mechanisms confusing server programs on Windows as well, so I'm not surprised.
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